To: Lawmakers, Politicians. Tell others about the petition, just tell them to go to: nzdemocracy.com To help even more see the links at the bottom of the text.

Petition for a new Law to STOP the government from giving away our democratic power Forever!

Petition for a new Law to STOP the government from giving away our democratic power Forever!

Also sign the Second MORE POWERFUL Petition HERE:
https://community.sumofus.org/petitions/tell-labour-greens-nz-first-they-must-announce-voiding-the-tpp-when-they-get-in

In our Democracy the members of Parliament in Government have a strictly limited term and it is plainly a contravention of Democracy, a crime for them to sign an agreement or take an action to extend beyond that term (except by winning the next general election), the period of their control or undue influence or that which they extend to other parties specified or unspecified.

We demand Parliament create an irrevocable law or constitutional article that recognizes that no Democratic, term-limited Government of New Zealand can ever take any action or make any agreement to extend their control or control they grant others functionally removing our sovereignty or removing the ability of New Zealand to self-govern and pass laws in the interest of the people of New Zealand. And to recognize that a Democratic Government cannot legally or validly circumvent democracy.

It is a requirement of any stable democracy that nature of that democracy can never be circumvented by the signatures of some rogue elected officials in opposition to the public wish or interest without that Government breaching democracy the source of it's power invalidating it as Government and essentially declaring war on the Democracy of New Zealand and her public.

There is no such thing as a Democratic Government legally signing away or weakening Democracy under Democracy.

If they act outside their mandated power then simply they have none and it is null and void.
How much power does a Politician have when they act outside (exceed) their mandate? The same they had before they were elected, the same power you and I have.

Why is this important?

We the petitioners assert that in a democracy the government cannot sign away our sovereignty that is a contradiction of the very basis for their power, Democracy!

Currently there exists the distinct likelihood of politicians against our wishes permanently and forevermore (they intend) giving away to international parties all or much of our ability to self govern, our sovereignty, or to continue as a democracy except in name only.

It is illegitimate and abhorrent to democracy for a democratic, limited-term government to sign any anti-democratic agreement to -FOREVER- irrevocably circumvent democracy! Or even to grant a term exceeding theirs. However we need the government to get this message in no uncertain terms and make it a fundamental document of our Democracy!

That there must be the ability to exit any agreement (except in the next clause) if the public protests it or if the government believes it should be exited in our best interests either immediately or at worst when the government that signed is voted out.

Reluctantly if an agreement (or law) must be binding for a time, the people must agree by voting in a referendum to an agreement with no details withheld that cannot be exited for any period, and that period must not exceed a generation and win at least a 60% Majority to pass although a higher minimum could be set. Ideally even if an agreement seeks to exist for minimum term it is better that there be a valid escape even it it must be financially costly though not actually prohibitive.

And that even if 100% of the current population agrees to it, no agreement should ever be binding on all future generations, the limit should be at maximum when most everyone who agreed has (or would have under a natural life span) died of old age if not before.

There is no need that exists in our interest for our Government to make any agreement that exists forever without the possibility of ever getting out of it. Except in the event of a military surrender by an invading force. Indeed even many/most countries that have lost to an invading force later regain sovereignty.

A Democratic Government cannot be anti-Democratic and still be either Democratic or even be the Government unless it is a Coup d'etat, setting it's self at war with the Democracy of New Zealand an action by force that must be met by necessary force by our uncorrupted Military, Police, Public and Politicians and which is defined in New Zealand law as Treason as it would be an act by force not power!

Something you are lured into but can't ever get out of and kept ignorant of the details of is called a trap!

If you are a Lawyer please help write a more legally sound draft and offer your opinion.

If you know how to get a law passed or an article added to our constitution please help!

If you can bring this to sympathetic members of political parties, ones that oppose the TPPA as it stands please do so.

Hey, I just got to tick every category because the TPP or an agreement like it could negatively impact our ability to have any law passed on Animal Rights, Forrest, Oceans and water, Climate Change, Health and Safety, Peace and Disarmament, Equality, Human Rights, and Toxics (pollution, toxics products etc.) and much more.

Addition: Any agreement that conflicts with the above would be invalid however that might have occurred. Including even probably already established agreements as a consequence of it being knowingly a democracy when any such democratically incompatible agreement was signed.

Exemption would be given to any preexisting agreement that the public and government agreed was not onerous for as long as that remains the case.

Save our Democracy from Illegal circumvention, don't give in to naysaying disempowering thoughts.
This is in the interest of everyone you share it with, if the person is offline we can accept physical signatures also!

Join the Facebook group to make this go Viral!
https://www.facebook.com/groups/NZDemocracy/

Answer a single question poll of what kind of LEGITIMATE power you think Democratic Government has (when I asked in person I got lots of silly questions so I have been very specific). https://aether22.typeform.com/to/lgdbIz

Also sign the Second MORE POWERFUL Petition HERE:
https://community.sumofus.org/petitions/tell-labour-greens-nz-first-they-must-announce-voiding-the-tpp-when-they-get-in


Reasons for signing

  • i like talking to others ^3^ hollah to NZ kia ora
  • To change Governments arrogant narcissi ways. One Law to all not in the case of government changing Laws when it suits them. There should be a "clause" made in Parliament where People can have a government removed if they do not have or no longer have confidence in their Government.
  • Govt does not have a right to sell our sovereignty.

Updates

2015-08-18 06:02:55 +1200

1,000 signatures reached

2015-08-11 23:08:05 +1200

There is a NEW even more powerful strategy and Petition you can also sign: https://community.sumofus.org/p/Leverage

2015-08-06 17:17:21 +1200

500 signatures reached

2015-08-06 08:16:47 +1200

Just a thought..

If a Democratic Government could somehow legitimately act anti-democratically, against its source of power without losing (legitimate) power then Democracy is meaningless as the first guys to get in can just stop elections with no cause.
Democracy would only work with eternal benevolence and incorruptibility of the elected and power never corrupts right?

Hmmm, acting outside of and against your source of power... aided only by that limited power granted to you which you can't use. Really not possible is it!? No that's not power that's just illegitimate force gained from the continued illusion of power and legitimacy! And the legal definition for treason in New Zealand (it seems so antiquated and would cover so little modern treason in the digital age) is "by force..." and it doesn't say physical force. Pointing a gun at someone isn't physical force either.

So signing the TPP would be legitimately treason and or invalid.

2015-08-05 22:03:56 +1200

I made a simple one question poll, please try it: https://aether22.typeform.com/to/lgdbIz

I want to deliver a version of this type of argument to Judges, Police, Military, and Politicians and even John Key's Bodyguards so they all know that it is possible to consider a Politician who is going against Democracy to no longer be protected by his position and not have to wait for a vote of no confidence in Parliament.

Is you are or know of any current or ex Judges, Police, Military or Politicians who you could give a letter to please contact me! Berry.John22@gmail.com

And join the FB group to help get this out there: https://www.facebook.com/groups/NZDemocracy/

2015-08-03 09:40:46 +1200

100 signatures reached

2015-08-02 16:27:22 +1200

50 signatures reached

2015-08-02 12:27:49 +1200

25 signatures reached

2015-08-02 07:43:37 +1200

10 signatures reached